ok..this is from

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#hdwar

is seems again these f*cking companies are fightting over our money in having their own formats for the HD DVD... digitalbits is having a campaign to force these companies to agree on 1 format...

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The industry wrangling over the shape of the next generation, high-definition DVD format has been "kicked up a notch" today. As many of you know, some in the industry (led by Warner Bros) have been pushing hard for a red-laser based format, using discs of similar capacity to today's existing DVD discs, and simply with higher compression to fit high resolution video onto the discs. The idea is that these discs could take advantage of existing manufacturing resources and thus be brought to market faster. Then there is also the Blu-Ray format proposed by Sony and Panasonic, which would take advantage of the finer wavelength of the blue laser and a physical disc capable of storing much greater information.

Well, this morning, Toshiba (which was one of the leading companies behind the development of current DVD) and NEC officially announced that they have proposed a different spec to the DVD Forum - one also based on the blue laser. According to Toshiba, its format could be ready for launch as early as next year, and the players would be backwards compatible with existing DVD discs. They also claim that the new format could still use existing DVD manufacturing plants. And it would also be ready for video recording (you can read more about this announcement here, here, here and here).

What we're starting to see is the development of the kind of format war that resulted in VHS vs. the now defunct Sony Betamax format, and the current confusion of DVD-Audio vs. Sony's SACD, which has significantly hurt the move to high-resolution audio.

At The Digital Bits, we absolutely back a blue-laser based HD-DVD format. In our opinion, if the industry is going to launch an HD-DVD format, they should do it right, rather than simply rushing an inferior red-laser based format to market. But the industry also needs to get its ducks in a row. With current DVD selling like gangbusters, ANY HD-DVD format is going to be a tough sell to consumers who have just made the move from videotape to disc. The success of a unified DVD format and the lack of interest in DVD-Audio and SACD should be a warning. Whichever HD-DVD format is chosen, ONE FORMAT NEEDS TO BE CHOSEN. If two competing HD formats are launched at the same time, HD-DVD will be dead on arrival. Sony, for one, has never shied away from going it alone by launching its own competing formats - think Betamax, DAT and MiniDisc. We've got nothing against Sony or any other manufacturer. But a format war absolutely CAN NOT HAPPEN. So our advice to the industry is to sit down, talk it out and negotiate a single, unified format like they did with standard DVD. Our advice to Hollywood is to then get on board that unified format. And, most importantly, our advice to all of our readers is this: get active, get vocal and DEMAND that a single unified format be chosen. Let the DVD Forum know that you simply won't tolerate a format war.

Let me state this bluntly: it's time the entertainment industry and the electronics industry got their **** together. And it's time consumers let them know it.

Back with more later....
Okay folks... as it was with Divx and anamorphic widescreen, it's time early adopters, home theater buffs and DVD fans got active on the HD-DVD front. So, just as we did with the campaign against Divx and in support of anamorphic widescreen, we've created a logo for you to post on your websites to show united support for a single HD-DVD format. The HD-DVD: One Format Only! logo is now available (below) for both white and black backgrounds. Use it freely, spread it widely and we don't care about credit or a link - that's not what this is about.



The bottom line is that the power of the online DVD community has been used before to benefit everyone, and it's time it was used again. The industry needs to know how YOU feel... and that you WILL NOT tolerate a format war.

In other site news this morning, I wanted to let all of you know that we've got a number of new DVD reviews that we'll be posting tomorrow morning. And we're still working on the transcript of our Comic-Con DVD Producers Panel, so never fear. Since audience Q&A was an extensive part of the discussion, the process of transcribing the recording is VERY slow going. But rest assured, we'll get it up as soon as we can.
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Thats cool that they want to make DVD's better but my modow is...

If it aint Broke Dont fix it. They should just keep it the way they is.

don't u mean motto?

I reckon Blue-laser techonology is the way to go for HD-DVD.

Higher-rate compression is just not on. Even many DVDs on the market today have compression artifacts. How can you squeeze more onto a red-laser DVD with better video quality? It may end up like Columbia's Superbit DVDs, with only the movie and no extra features.

Average Joe Blow like yours truly have got customed to bonus materials these days. And only very few videophiles would pursuit and truly enjoy HD-quality video.

To me, Better quality means more data. More data means more space requied. More space required means highly capcity for DVDs. And that means blue-laser technology, not higher compression rate.

Then again, better in techonology doesn't necessarily win out all the time, especially for Sony. Betamax, anyone?

Yikes...already? My girlfriend just bought a DVD player and she'd be pretty mad if suddenly DVDs were out.

Seriously, they should give it a few more years at least. I know BluRay disks can hold more but, as it has been said before "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

Maybe in something like, 5 or 10 years, that would be a good time to bring out a new format. But right now, I think DVDs would be cheaper to produce then BluRay disks. So people will most likely stick with DVDs, and BluRay will never catch.

30 years ago there was not even home video... and now after 20 years of analog video tapes we are into digital video.... 1st generation Digital.....

and the only step is forwards... into new generation Digital video...which HD DVD, current DVD are actually very limited in terms of picture quality, it still needs lots of improvement.

If it aint Broke Dont fix it. They should just keep it the way they is...... if this was the case... then we should all be satisfied with VHS Beta of 8 tracks...

Hey then DVD's are gona go down in price! Hell but in the next 10 years were are all gona have DVD burners or Something to hold all the movies, then we take them to are players and Play them like that.


The INTERNET WILL EXPLODE!!! HAHHAHA

Originally posted by Movie Wizard
Hey then DVD's are gona go down in price! Hell but in the next 10 years were are all gona have DVD burners or Something to hold all the movies, then we take them to are players and Play them like that.


The INTERNET WILL EXPLODE!!! HAHHAHA

you're starting to scare me now....

:butt: :big grin:

more info

http://www.videostoremag.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?article_id=3700

DVD Gurus Say No to HD-DVD Format War
Author: ENRIQUE RIVERO
erivero@advanstar.com
Posted: September 6, 2002

DVD Web site operators are banding together to send a message to the home entertainment industry: Settle on one high-definition DVD format or risk alienating consumers.

The movement is being led by Bill Hunt, editor of The Digital Bits, who sent a missive to Web site operators and others last week in the wake of an announcement from Toshiba Corp. and NEC Corp. that the companies had presented a blue laser-based DVD proposal to the DVD Forum.

Now they want to stave off what they see as a looming format war, with a red-laser-based, high-definition DVD format and the Blu-ray Disc optical disc format also in various stages of development.

DVD, as we have it now, has been successful in large part because studios and hardware manufacturers put aside their differences and settled on one format that everyone could support, Hunt said.

He also pointed out that neither recordable disc nor high-resolution audio have taken off because there are competing formats for each.

“Now, with high-definition DVD, you’re seeing no less than three specifications,” Hunt said. “The bottom line is that we don’t want to see with HD-DVD the same thing you saw with DVD-Audio and SACD.”

The idea behind the movement, he said, is to present a unified front to send the industry a message that high definition is not going to succeed if the industry is splintered into different groups with different formats. Also, it is important that any next-generation format be backward-compatible with existing discs.

“We want to just jointly send a message to say, ‘Get your ducks in a row or it’s going to die,’” Hunt said. “Certainly, no average consumer is going to want to take a chance on a format that may disappear.”

Hunt is not alone in his thinking, said Craig Eggers, director of DVD/digital product planning for Toshiba America Consumer Products in Wayne, N.J. “We at Toshiba have said repeatedly that any next- generation, high-definition optical media should probably come from the DVD Forum and come as a result of sharing a variety of technologies within the forum itself in developing, if you will, a system that features the best of all possible proposals,” he said.

He also noted that Toshiba’s proposed format would be compatible with today’s red-laser-based discs.

“The fact that the disc structure is virtually identical to what we have with DVD does afford an opportunity to make a player that offers backward compatibility,” he said.

The movement appears to be gathering momentum, with a number of Web operators already agreeing to carry Hunt’s “HD-DVD: One Format Only!” logo, which provides a link to a page urging the industry to settle on a single format.

“We believe that in order for any high-definition video disc format to be successful, all of the various parties involved MUST agree upon a SINGLE, unified format before making any such format available to consumers,” the message reads in part.

One Web operator on board is Geoffrey Kleinman, founder and editor of DVD Talk, who said a “red flag” needs to be raised now to avoid problems in the future.

“Too often we become very reactive, so things get responded to after they’re codified and released,” Kleinman said. “The nice thing about HD-DVD is there’s a lot of discussion out there. We felt it was time to raise the voice for the consumer and say ‘Sanity check here.’”

Another supporter is Ron Epstein, co-founder and co-owner of Home Theater Forum, who noted that none of the three recordable DVD formats are compatible with one another and that different manufacturers support each.

“That’s what’s happening with the new HD-DVD format,” Epstein said. “I think it would be much easier for the studios to embrace a single format.”

http://www.davisdvd.com/News/daily_news.htm

The DVD Forum has given the go-ahead to Toshiba and NEC's blue laser-based high definition DVD spec. The Forum, an international association of home electronics hardware and software companies, will finalize the Toshiba/NEC specifications by May. The new HD-DVD format will be capable of storing a maximum of 40 GB (up from a standard DVD's 4.7 GB) of information and will be backwards compatible with existing DVD discs. Despite the DVD Forum's decision, nine heavyweight hardware manufacturers (including Hitachi, Matsushita, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, Sony and Thomson) are still going ahead with the development of the Blu-ray Disc, an alternative HD format that will be capable of 50 GB of storage capacity. A major point of contention between the two incompatible blue laser formats is that Toshiba's next generation spec will able to use existing DVD replication equipment , while the Blu-ray will require significant changes to production equipment. Needless to say, the two blue laser formats will be incompatible with each other. Both groups will begin producing their next-generation HD players in 2003.

say byebye to BlueRay

Originally posted by Kn'thrak
say byebye to BlueRay

Bye Bye BlueRay. I won't miss ya cos ya look like sh*t! :D

Ok... WTF?

Why the hell would they make 2 diffrent kinds. They are idiots. :evil: