Star Wars Trilogy: Special Edition: Star Wars - trailer (480x272)

[Guiboche]

Hey all,

The trailers for the Star Wars Trilogy, Special Edition have been requested in the past. This weekend I was able to get captures of all 3 of these special edition trailers for all your viewing enjoyment :D

These are only 480 trailers, and sorry that the quality isn't up to par, but they have been capture from VHS :embarasse

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The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi will be posted soon :)

[editman]

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Ya Da Man, Guiboche!

[RoboDan]

Whoa! I've been lookin' everywhere for these! Thanks a bunch Guiboche! :)

--Dan

[WorkShed]

Now I can sleep well tonight

[Guiboche]

Stick around. Empire Strikes Back will be posted within the hour :big grin:

[Shrubz]

Wasn't there a version out ripped from the laserdisc or something?

[Lafce]

Yesss, thank you so much...too bad I have to go and sleep now, I have an exam later today. Can't wait to download them after that. :zorro:

[trailergod]

the laser disc rips have been posted b4, and i have these versions.. =)

better sources could have been used than a VHS which has a native res of 320 and is interlaced :(

anyway thanks for the effort:) but i dont like the idea of trailers here at ML having VHS as sources

heres a screenshot of the laserdisc versions

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coz all this time u guys have been bitching about quality control and now this vhs source.. remember the Matrix Reloaded trailer? i remember the fuss it created when i used a divx as a source.. and now a "ML encoder" uses VHS source:angel"

[Guiboche]

Hehe, you didn't even look at the trailer ;)

[Guiboche]

Oh, and also, I dare anyone to find interlacing in these trailers :evil:

[trailergod]

i saw them and they look crap IMO, better sources could have been used...

i do hope this will be the last official exclusive trailer from ML using VHS source.. its really is a crappy idea...

it simply disregards the whole concept of quality trailers and using DVD source for the trailers here at ML... i mean we might as well have all our sources from VHS ....

[editman]

Isn't this the first time these trailers are encoded into Quicktime? Or were those laserdisc-sourced ones in QT but posted before my time? :confused:

[Guiboche]

The QT sources were encoded from DivX LaserDisc sources.

[Matt]

Well give Guiboche some respect, he did make these oft-requested trailers, you know...

[Jean-Pierre Bazinet]

Originally posted by trailergod
the laser disc rips have been posted b4, and i have these versions.. =)

better sources could have been used than a VHS which has a native res of 320 and is interlaced :(



Well... get the laserdisc ones up and we'll compare.
We'll keep the better ones.

[Borgtex]

Arg! I have a LaserDisc Divx rip that altough it looks better, sounds worse than this one (music & effects overlap voice) :(

btw, good enconding

[bendermac]

i have the laserdisc with all 3 trailers but i can't rip them. life is a bitsch ;)

[Guiboche]

Originally posted by bender
i have the laserdisc with all 3 trailers but i can't rip them. life is a bitsch ;)

Funny, since TrailerGod told me you could ;)

[Guiboche]

Originally posted by trailergod
coz all this time u guys have been bitching about quality control and now this vhs source.. remember the Matrix Reloaded trailer? i remember the fuss it created when i used a divx as a source.. and now a "ML encoder" uses VHS source:angel"

Oh yeah, I never did fuss once about you posting that trailer. And you can take it up with the people who did :evil:

http://www.movie-list.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6476&highlight=matrix

If you remember, I did in fact say I was happy to have The Matrix trailer, and that obvious the quality wouldn't be as good with a "DivX" source, but we had the trailer nonetheless (and that was all that mattered at the time :zorro:

And just so everyone knows (and mainly you TrailerGod ;) I represent myself in this forum, and the views expressed by other individuals do not represent me nor am I automatically considered to agree with them. If you notice I didn't post anything negative AT ALL in your Matrix post. (I didn't even post once if you notice ;)

We got the trailer! I'm glad it now finally has a perminant home on Movie-List! :big grin:

[Shrubz]

I think we need better communication between the encoders. Then, if someone is thinking of going as far as doing VHS captures for a trailer but someone has a better version, their time won't be wasted and the worse quality trailer won't get posted. Guiboche I know how much work VHS captures can be so I understand why you might not take so kindly to criticism of them... but this is a problem with all the encoders, we need better communication so we know what is getting posted so if someone has a better version, that can get posted instead. I don't know how we can achieve this but we need to work on it.

[trailergod]

Originally posted by Jean-Pierre Bazinet
Well... get the laserdisc ones up and we'll compare.
We'll keep the better ones.

i will once u send me the SHOWGIRLS vob :P :P :P :love:

[Guiboche]

How much work VHS captures are? They are about as easy as ripping a vob ;)

And as for criticism, let TrailerGod fly! It doesn't really bother me, since he called it crap without even watching it first. :P (notice the interlacing comments. Funny how these trailers have no interlacing ;)

As for future VHS captures, the only reason they would be put up is if higher quality sources aren't available. I've already pre-researched available sources (and I don't consider DivX crap a "better source") so any VHS posting I put up in the future are in fact not available as VOBs or otherwise.

[trailergod]

i meant by "interlaced" was that aside from a 320 res.. it being interlaced means it even has less resolution... not the "combing" effect that u are refering too...

[Guiboche]

What is interlacing then if it isn't "Combing"?

DVDs are just as much interlaced as VHS is (at a higher res).

[Shrubz]

Yeah you can process a perfect inverse telecine off of VHS or television (if it's a film source) I've done it before myself. (And I said capturing off of VHS/TV sources isn't easy because I haven't found that perfect codec to use yet. M-JPEG is too large and too processor-demanding... and the only programs I've managed to find that record directly into MPEG2 (WinDVD Recorder and the like) automatically deinterlace.)

[Guiboche]

Mark's actually correct in what he says (nudge, nudge :P ;)

The fact is, both DVD and VHS have a vertical resolution of 480 lines. And from that you can pull a progressive film source out of it. The thing that really sucks about VHS is all the noise, or it would in fact look rather good (maybe ;)

[Jean-Pierre Bazinet]

Originally posted by Mark Strube
I think we need better communication between the encoders. Then, if someone is thinking of going as far as doing VHS captures for a trailer but someone has a better version, their time won't be wasted and the worse quality trailer won't get posted. Guiboche I know how much work VHS captures can be so I understand why you might not take so kindly to criticism of them... but this is a problem with all the encoders, we need better communication so we know what is getting posted so if someone has a better version, that can get posted instead. I don't know how we can achieve this but we need to work on it.

This is why I gave encoders access to the moderator forum.
Maybe we should post our upcoming exclusives in there first in case there are any problems or comments.

[editman]

Originally posted by Jean-Pierre Bazinet
This is why I gave encoders access to the moderator forum.
Maybe we should post our upcoming exclusives in there first in case there are any problems or comments.

Correction: some encoders.

Sadly the occasional contributors like your truly are not given to such previleges. :(

[carl]

Originally posted by editman
Correction: some encoders.

Sadly the occasional contributors like your truly are not given to such previleges. :( That's because you host your trailers on an outside site, and as such can do whatever the hell you like. ;)

Some of us have to live by the rules.

[editman]

Originally posted by carl
That's because you host your trailers on an outside site, and as such can do whatever the hell you like. ;)

Some of us have to live by the rules.

True. Except I still can't put porn on the outside site. :P ;)

Seriously if Movie-List wants any contributions from me I'll gladly go 'official'. But then you don't see JPB come around the corner and say, 'You're in, editman.' :rolleyes:

[Shrubz]

As far as I know we're already maxxing out the servers every month, I think part of JP's reasoning for not adding more encoders to the exclusives is because of that.

[editman]

Originally posted by Mark Strube
As far as I know we're already maxxing out the servers every month, I think part of JP's reasoning for not adding more encoders to the exclusives is because of that.

Well shouldn't be a surprise with the rate you guys churning out those Exclusives. Bare in mind also you're maxing out DL times of those with a slow connection. :rolleyes:

[Shrubz]

Originally posted by editman
Well shouldn't be a surprise with the rate you guys churning out those Exclusives. Bare in mind also you're maxing out DL times of those with a slow connection. :rolleyes:

This isn't the place to complain about file sizes in exclusives... do that in Site Suggestions. JP gave us a new rule that no exclusive is to be over 35MB, which I've been keeping mine around, and if the quality of the source doesn't warrant a high bitrate, I won't give it that. We're not about to go back to all 480 versions just for people on dial-up, that's what the QuickTime site is for my friend.

[editman]

Gee excuse me if my comment sounded like a complain. :rolleyes:

But the point is not about file sizes. The isssue is about the quantities of exclusives are being posted.

If there's a concern about maxing out M-L servers' bandwidth, then maybe JPB should set a limit of how many exclusive(s) each encoder should post say each month.

That way JPB may allow more contributors into the official game.

But then considering few communicatons between encoders as indicated in posts above, I doubt JPB wants to bring more official encoders in.

(Besides IMHO it's more a popular game above all, call me a paranoid. :P)


Which brings back to my original argument: Those occasional contributors are being under appreciated, as compared to MODs and official encoders, because MODs & OCs have less previleges than OEs (which is a fact).

And though you may hate to admit it is a plain fact that there are *always* members who DL with slow connections. I'm stating as a fact, not bratting about it. Not even suggesting something has to be done from your end.

[Jean-Pierre Bazinet]

Originally posted by editman
True. Except I still can't put porn on the outside site. :P ;)

Seriously if Movie-List wants any contributions from me I'll gladly go 'official'. But then you don't see JPB come around the corner and say, 'You're in, editman.' :rolleyes:

I will in the future.
I had room for a couple new encoders on the team, and at the time the guys doing the most were bender and carl. So I sent them invitations.
Right now we're pretty maxed out, but I will likely recruit somemore people in the near future.
You're on the list. :)

[Jean-Pierre Bazinet]

Originally posted by editman
If there's a concern about maxing out M-L servers' bandwidth, then maybe JPB should set a limit of how many exclusive(s) each encoder should post say each month.

We have also set limits on how many each encoder can do, and what the max filesizes can be.
All this is still a work-in-progress but rules have begun.



But then considering few communicatons between encoders as indicated in posts above, I doubt JPB wants to bring more official encoders in.


This is another thing we're working on, and is the reason I gave Encoders Mod Forum access. So we can discuss any issues with Exclusives and create some guidelines.



Which brings back to my original argument: Those occasional contributors are being under appreciated, as compared to MODs and official encoders, because MODs & OCs have less previleges than OEs (which is a fact).


MODs obviously get more priveleges because they are here to keep order in the forums.

And Official Encoders get to post their trailers in the Exclusives section, because they are 'official' Movie-List Trailers. This is the only privilege they get that nobody else gets. Other than that, they are regular users.

Occasional Contributors are still welcomed, and are appreciated, both by the ML staff, and by its users. When we are looking to add people to the roster for Exclusives, these are the people we will pick from.

Really, the only benefit you get from being an Official Encoder, is that you are given webspace to host the trailers.
The drawbacks are, that the ML logo has to be included, and it has to be below a certain size.
If you are Occasional, you can do pretty much whatever you want.

[editman]

Originally posted by Jean-Pierre Bazinet
You're on the list. :)

:big grin:

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I'll be doing this today towards the direction of North-East till the sun goes down!


Originally posted by Jean-Pierre Bazinet
Occasional Contributors are still welcomed, and are appreciated, both by the ML staff, and by its users. When we are looking to add people to the roster for Exclusives, these are the people we will pick from.

Really, the only benefit you get from being an Official Encoder, is that you are given webspace to host the trailers.
The drawbacks are, that the ML logo has to be included, and it has to be below a certain size.
If you are Occasional, you can do pretty much whatever you want.

Well good to hear from the man himself.

It's fair enough to have the ML logo if a trailer's encoded for and hosted on M-L.

File size limit and quantity limit I can dig (in fact I'm totally with it). If something's too big there's always the outside site for hosting. :P

BTW I was meant to ask ages ago: is there's a time limit for Exclusives? Like do they have to come down after a certain period of time, or is there part of the rules still in the pipeline?

[trailergod]

see and JP really has a grudge against the trailergod :cry: :cry: :cry: .. he won't send me the SHOWGIRLS vob and also would not make me an encoder, even if i posted so many trailers before...:cry: (and give some helping points fo Carl and Editman.. ahem :) ) hehehe just kidding JP

[Jean-Pierre Bazinet]

Originally posted by trailergod
see and JP really has a grudge against the trailergod :cry: :cry: :cry: .. he won't send me the SHOWGIRLS vob and also would not make me an encoder, even if i posted so many trailers before...:cry: (and give some helping points fo Carl and Editman.. ahem :) ) hehehe just kidding JP

I am planning on sending you the Showgirls VOB.. just havent uploaded it yet.

And you are also on the 'short-list' of future encoders. ;)

[Jean-Pierre Bazinet]

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