17 films fight for Feature Animation Oscar
 

I found this interesting. I rember watching this years and the animation I wanted to win dident. :(

Source: <a href="http://www.countingdown.com/movies/oscars/movieinfo/story?item_id=2717299">CountingDown.com</a>

I'm for Ice Age!!!:yum: :cool:

"Spirited Away" :cool:

lilo & stitch. i'm not a big disney fan but they really did something they have not since lion king. and even better is that it was original and not a stolen idea from someone else.

As it stands right now I'd vote for Treasure Planet. That may or may not change after I've rented Spirit this weekend.

Easily.

Sadly I haven't yet seen any movie in that list but Spirited Away is easily the one I want to see most.

I don't understand why people liked this movie.
It was incredibly dull.
It dosen't help matters much that I hate Elvis... but I didn't like any of the characters (including Stitch) and was bored to tears.

Spirited Away by a looooooooong shot.

If it doesn't win and the award goes to "Ice Age", (which won't be impossible) it'll be all because of bureaucratic policy-games. Oscars these years are pretty much just f***-up policy games anyway! Look at all the Best Movies of the past 5 Years (or since "Titanic"). Which one truly deserves it!? None!

I go for Ice Age too...I saw it at the theater and rent it last week.... soooooo funny!!!:D :big grin: :D ... but Shrek is still the best animation movie ever!!!!

And it has absolutely nothing to do with Hawaii.

IF ANY OF YOU PEOPLE THINK WE LIVE THAT... YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL!

I felt it was almsot a discrace to Hawaii.

Anyone have an idea on how to get "El bosque animado (The Living Forest)" ??
I would love to see that Spanisch movie!

R all those movies children crap?

Why can't the Oscars go intelligent towards anime. Untapped fame & fortune!!

Can someone tell me why Stuart Little 2 is eligible? I didn't see it, but from my understanding, it's mostly live-action with one or two computer-generated characters, one being the main character of course. There must be more to it, otherwise I would think with that reasoning movies like Episode II would be eligible (more so, actually.) ;)

Because Childrens crap is 99% of what kind of animated stuff gets released in North America. I remember reading an article that mentioned something about the comic code. (censorship of comics in North America led to cartoons?)

Anyway Japan never had a comics code so they have all sorts of crazy stuff over there. Sad story really. We need more cool stuff.

And do some research about Canada while your at it!! ;)

Probably the two places in the world most mis-represented in film and TV. Maybe. I really don't know. :P

I mean really....we don't live in igloos or anything. Infact there has hardly been any SNOW here this year and we don't say EH all the time. Well, maybe we do but we don't notice it and it's not a big deal...grumble grumble grumble...

Three places. Same for Australia!

Someone actualy asked me once if i lived in a and I quote, "Grass-Shack". :)

IMHO.

Titanic was great.
Shakespeare Falling in Love is boring crap, Saving Private Ryan should win.
American Beauty was very good by US standarts.
Gladiator was decent but not year's best.
Beautiful Mind is ok, but not better than Fellowship of the Ring.

Ok... my thoughts.

Titanic was a decent movie, and there wasn't much in the way of good competition, so it was a decent win.

SIL was crap, and Private Ryan deserved to win.

American Beauty was great, and deserved the Oscar.

Gladiator was very good, and since Crouching Tiger demolished any suspension of disbelief frequently, Glad was a good pick.

Beautiful Mind was boring, Fellowship was good, and Moulin Rouge had them both beat hands down.

This year: Well, as long as 2 Towers doesn't win, I'm happy. My picks would be Gangs or Adaptation. Chicago, maybe.

Voting for "Spirited away".
Second best: Tresoure planet (mainly becouse of nice integration of pirats & stuff from 17. & 18. century in space).

I think that the animated films should be nominated first on their animation techniques and second on the relationship of the animation to the other points of the movie (i.e. score, screenplay, acting).

What I want to be nominated (based on above):

1) Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron - has Longest continuous animation shot in movie history, as well as great score and narration

2) Treasure Planet - Disney dares to be different from its classic animation (like Lilo & Stitch) without the total help of Pixar

3) Spirited Away - Anime needs to be nominated, as its animation quality beats American animation hands down

4) Ice Age - The best CGI movie not made by Pixar

5) Powerpuff Girls - Yeah its a silly movie, but the animation style lends itself to the screenplays very well

What will be nominated (speaking of best picture films, look at how in recent years made a lot of money...):

1) Lilo and Stitch

2) Ice Age

3) Stuart Little 2

4) Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron

5) The Wild Thornberrys

I think we can all agree that the Best Picture winners are fed to the Oscars on a platter.

Titanic - crap. L.A. Confidential should've won.
Shakespeare in Love - Fine with me, just as long as Saving Private Ryan didn't win.
American Beauty - well made. But not the best picture of the year. Dancer in the Dark should've won.
Gladiator - Ugh. Utter crap. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon should've won by a loooooooong shot.
A Beautiful Mind - Mediocre at best. In the Bedroom was miles above this in all terms of filmmaking. As was Gosford Park. And Moulin Rouge. And The Fellowship of the Ring.

Conclusion? Don't watch the Oscars, you'll only get frustrated.

OK here's an honest question. Do Americans have anything like this?

I doubt the 1 hour special ever aired in USA but if you have any Canadian friends, see if they can tape it for you. They usually play it about once a year now.

If you're too lazy to follow the link, basicly a guy comes up with stupid questions, asks Americans, and we get honest answers. Things like "Should we stop the Toronto polar bear hunt?" and "Should we stop sending our old on iceburgs and float them north to die" There are Americans (educated ones too) that think it's serious.

Back on topic....

I think Granite has it just about right. There is a huge difference between what should be nominated, and what will be nominated.

And if Stuart Little 2 counts as an animation, logically wouldn't films like Star Wars count too? :confused:

I've read sth about anime censorship, which is quite strange. The thing is that they're not allowed to show pubic hair, that's why most of hentai is about school girls. Also censorship made hentai animators creative in a way, that they started to come up with wild stuff, like demons with tentacles in shape of penis, but it was ok, cause the penis was green or blue and not part of a human body, which was ok by censors. :D

This reminds me on Finland. :) My wife works in a city museum and she told me stories about Americans coming to the museum and asking where they can see polar bears, only to be told that there are NO POLAR BEARS in Finland. But they just don't get it and keep asking if they will see them if they go more North towards Lapland. I mean people seriously think there are polar bears walking on the streets in northern Finland...

I've seen this just couple of days ago on Finnish TV (can't remember the channel, but I think it was national TV - YLE). Funny as hell. It reminds me on Jay-walking from Tonight Show. :D

Hmm, I'll have to get back to you on that one, but I recall reading somewhere the rules, which basically state that animated movie to be nominated has to be over 70min and over 70% of it has to be nominated and at least 3 major characters have to be nominated... So I would say that SL2 is very much on the edge and it got through, mainly cause the main character along with 2 side characters are 100% animated.

With that in mind, compare Star Wars movie length and SL2 length and then compare the percentage of animation or screening time of particular animated character and importance of it to the overall movie.

Spirited away is an easy vote... Ice age was ok, but Raymond was totally miscast... I do believe that Ice Age falls far behind the likes of Toy Story or Shrek...

I can't believe I saw Spirited Away twice. Guess that will win but there are alot of other animes that are alot better!!

Okay, okay. But wouldn't you agree that it IS the best animated film of the year?

from that list, possibly... but I've seen better. Millennium Actress is the best anime and MOVIE i've seen for the year but I'm not sure if it has had a world release yet. It should next year (2003).

Agree. Millennium Actress is very good. Some say (in Japan) it's better than Spirited Away. I have to see "Millennium Actress" once again to decide though.

Anyway, the point is: not one American animation movie made last year deserves an Oscar. If films like "Ice Age" or "Lilo and Stitch' wins, it's because of politics, not because they deserve it.

Well I'm just thinking the final battle scenes are CGI. Yoda, Dexter (the guy at the resturant) most of the chase scene. The entire planet where the clones are being made + those characters...and I probably missed a bunch of stuff.
Oh! Plus basicly every time you look out a window :D

All this talk of Anime makes me feel very cut off. I really need to see some more. (Though I think I might stay away from the crazy tenticle stuff Uri is talking about ;)) Censorship is weird. Always...

Japanese animes must not be nominated for american awards, it's completely different style and culture (in subject and visual style of cartoons). I am not anime fan, but just for interest I saw Metropolis last weekend in theater. I have feeling like I'm watched another stupid Pokemon episode. This style is too lame for me. May be because I grown up on "Duck Tales" or "Chip'n'Dale"... So... Am am still "traditional" Disney-like animation fan. "Ice Age" will win. You say that it's not deserve Oscar, but who in Academy cares? A Beautiful Mind don't deserve Oscar either.

For those unfamiliar with Anime, try watching Akira. Its got an interesting plot but the animation supasses that of Spirited Away and Metropolis. It gets a little weird in parts but stick to it a look closely for the undertones to the movies.

So by that rationale films like "Life Is Beautiful" or "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" shouldn't even had been nominated (and won) major awards like Best Actor or Best Cinematography etc, simply because they're not American films.

That's as fascist as a close-minded statement can be. :upset:

We are talking here about anime, not about Life Is Beautiful, which is very traditional film and american audiences love it. Crouching Tiger is box office hit too. But anime in generally is not traditional genre for Americans. Anime can't pretend for Animation Oscar for the same reason why films like Requiem for a Dream can't pretend for Best Picture nomination: they are not traditional for Americans. I don't see any fascism in my words and I appreciate all styles and genres of cinema. But American public and Academy is not.

There are all different genres of Japanese anime. Spirited Away is different from Akira. Metropolis is different from something like Urotsukidoji. Branding "anime" as a single genre is like saying "Aliens", "Terminator' (sci-fi), "Robocop", "Batman", "Lethal Weapon", "Die Hard", "Speed" are all action movie.

Not all anime are action-oriented and full of violence, sex and weird stuff. I wonder if you've ever seen any of Miyasaki's films. He always has some sort of environmental messages behind all those fantastic animations.

So saying "anime must not be nominated for american awards" is like generalising: 1) the Oscars are for American films and American-funded films only 2) all Japanese animes have no artsitic merits 3) mainstream American audiences will never enjoy any Japanese anime. That's close-minded.

"Spirited Away" did not do well in the box office as "Crouching Tiger" did because Disney screwed up the promotional campaign for the film big time. Had it been shown on as many screens as "Crouching Tiger" did, with more people know about the film, it might do better than "Crouching Tiger" cos it has border appeal to a wider range of audiences. (Would you take your 5-year old kid to see "Crouching Tiger"? If you did, you need a babysitter.)

The Acamdey Awards should really be based on the artistic merits of the films, not whether they do well in the box office, not whether the film is "traditional" or not. (Life is Beautiful is "traditional" and Spirited Away is not!!? In what way? In which
"tradition"?)

"Spirited Away", by a looooong shot, deserves an award rather than "Ice Age" or "Lilo and Stitch" do.

Then again, the film wasn't made or released to get an award. It still deserves it.

We'll see how open-minded/close-minded the Academy will be when nominations come out.

Agreed with editman...

Let's remember it's meant to be an award for best film, not best HOLLYWOOD film...

Speaking of tradition, Australian films haven't been traditional... so should they be omitted?

Also, many US movies are now made in Australia... should they be omitted to? What you speak is ridicule...

As time goes on, with new styles and different approaches, "tradition" changes.

Even with Matrix, it was mostly done in Australia, with all of the action choreographed (sp?) by a Hong Kong action choreographer... should that be "banned" from the Academy Awards?
If not, where exactly do you draw the line?


Listen, Equinox, I'm not flaming you... I also believe the judges will be biased... but to say "animes must not be nominated for american awards" is very narrow-minded...

You said that and that's really close-minded, I agree. But if you want my opinion on that matter, then: 1) the Oscars are for traditional movies in different languages, that's why there's special Best Foreign Picture Oscar. What I mean by "traditional" Oscar matherial? It's: a) High level of all movie's "components" b) Epic, more than 2 hours long c) Pathetic d) Conservative e) Simple story with not-controversial moral f) Politcorectness g) Heroism h) Main roles of suffering alcoholics, AIDS-dying gays, crazy madmen etc. i) movie take place in the past historic period j) wide popularity and decent box-office. 2) Japanese animes probably have some artistic merits (like American comic books), but that's not enough for Oscar and recognition of American audiences. And not only American. When I saw "Metropolis" there were only 3 men in theater except me for this movie. How can you talk about Oscar if nobody don't want to watch Japanese animes outside Japan? 3) I don't know about the future, but mainstream American audiences is not enjoying Japanese anime now. Spirited Away didn't get wide release because in limited release there weren't too many people on screenings, unlike Crouching Tiger.

Once again, I didn't said something that you are mentioned in your post. But you can't agree that Best Picture is for english-language film, no matter if it's from Australia or England. For 75 years of Oscar History can you tell me even 1 Best Picture winner which wasn't in English?
Please don't convert my posts in something "narrow-minded". I don't really think that "The Matrix" must be banned just because it was made in Australia. It's really stupid and narrow-minded even to suggest this.

what i don't get..

Australian movies are considered foreign movies but the actors that star in them are not!

WTF?