Soothsayer gives Minority Report 2 of 5

**trailergod** · 06-23-2002, 09:34 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I had a lot of problems with the layout of the film and solidity of the plot. There were so many holes in the plot. Instead of chasing John Anderton, why did the police center in on his victim and protect him until Anderton came? There was a lot of the small stuff I didn’t understand. It is almost like Spielberg thinks we should know something before we even start watching. <hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr /> I can’t say that I enjoyed Minority Report if anything I probably groaned and shook my head through about 90% of it. I know my perspective is probably a minority but would the real Spielberg please make a movie. <hr /></blockquote>ok...i have not seen the movie yet...have to wait till October for the movie.......

but i think this review is rotten........ at <a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/MinorityReport-1113879/" target="_blank">rottentomatoes</a> MR has a 93% .... of the 122 reviews 8 are rotten....

so what u say... is Minority Report only 2 of 5 ?

**Kn'thrak** · 06-23-2002, 10:31 AM

i gave it 4 out of 5. All was understandable towards the end. If u don't get it.. well.. too bad, U SUCK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
U can forget about the little things unexplained like the headcuffs sine they are never explain in the movies... or probably is explained in the novel.

As for the police getting to the victim.. well.. they caughted since they don't know who the victim is well.... all the evidence didn't help either. I was satisfied & mite see it again on Tuesday.

[ 06-24-2002, 03:18 AM: Message edited by: Kn'thrak ]

**radstar** · 06-23-2002, 10:54 AM

the movie made a total sense to me. it wuz a great story. i give it a 5/5. it wuz awesome. great action. ive seen it twice already. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

**Air Sick Moth** · 06-24-2002, 01:31 AM

This is the best movie I've seen in 2002. It is going to be in my top 10 movies of all time for sure.

I think he totaly missed the movie.

Or should I say, he THINKS he missed the movie.

*************MAJOR SPOILER ALERT************

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I had a hard time understanding that a man can be convicted and then locked away in suspended animation before he has even done anything. The movie even contradicts this point when it says that each one of us have a choice before we commit a violent act. If everything is seen and laid out how can we have a choice? The movie says the Pre-cogs are never wrong. <hr /></blockquote>Really? It is hard to believe someone can be locked away before they do anything? Well, hundreds of Arabs were locked away after 9/11 without doing anything.

The movie contradicts the Plot, because that IS THE PLOT. The movie is about the perfect system, or is it? It is really about a flawed system that seems perfect.

People IN CHARGE say the Pre-Cogs are never wrong. But they are sometimes. That is what a Minority Report IS! When they are wrong people go around and hide it.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I felt very sorry for the Pre-cogs because basically they have been genetically manipulated to serve us as super-computers. We hook wires up to their brains and then basically imprison them in a chamber called the Temple where they are continuously drugged and half submerged in water. This is torturous, in-human and even slavery. Cruise character says to the man investigating Pre-crime Division (played by Colin Farrell), "It helps if you don’t think of them as human." Then I scream at the flickering film screen, "Of course their human! What are you some kind of slave-overseer?" The characters also dictate that they try to remain separate from the Pre-cogs. Is this some sort of relief for their conscience? Isn’t this just a justification of enslaving these gifted beings? <hr /></blockquote>Well, when Anderton goes to the Lady that created the Pre-Cogs, she says they are real people that were drug babies. And in the proses of saving them, they became pre-cogs. Anderton was SHOCKED. The Scientist says, "What, do you think they were created in a test tube?"

If you think about it, the events in the movie are set in motion by the Pre-cogs, knowing that the end result would be their freedom. The pre-Cog reaches out to Anderton, setting in motion events that will lead to the destruction of the system. If the pre-cog didn't do that, the system would have gone on.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Instead of chasing John Anderton, why did the police center in on his victim and protect him until Anderton came? <hr /></blockquote>They were doing both. They were hunting for John with the spiders. He replaced his eyes, so the spiders kept on going. But they didn't know who his victim was. He hasn't been in the system for 5 years, a complete unknown, a blip. They didn't know where he lived, or where the crime was comited. And the man didn’t want protection, because he was set up to die with his permission. He was being paid to die.

The movie is about a system that seems perfect, but isn't. It is not 100% certain, and is manipulated from the inside. A lot like the accusations against our system today.

Anderton was blinded by the loss of his son. He didn't see what was going on. But when he found out, he set out to bring the system down.

[ 06-24-2002, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: Air Sick Moth ]

**Air Sick Moth** · 06-24-2002, 01:49 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kn'thrak:
U can forget about the little things unexplained like the headcuffs sine they are never explain in the movies... or probably is explained in the novel.
<hr /></blockquote>The headcuffs are explained, a little.

Near the end, when Anderton is caught, they put one on him. It knocked him out cold. It kind of puts him into suspended animation, like the prisoners in the prison. I guess it makes him cooperate very easily.

What it signifies is much deeper. It is basicly the end of your life. Once it is put on, you can't argue anymore or get away. You are taken to the prison, and that is the end of your life. I think they even call it a Halo at one point, like saying someone who wears it is an angel, as in they are dead.

**radstar** · 06-24-2002, 03:48 PM

it is a little confusing. like air sick moth said- the headcuffs makes you cooperate. but they have a right to a lawyer and a trial and all that. they havent committed a crime and they dont get a trial? OJ Simpson murdered two people and got a trial for it. not to mention got away w/ it. thats just my point. but the movie wuz still great.

**Air Sick Moth** · 06-25-2002, 12:07 AM

Well, they get a trial, but with this kind of evidence, I dout it is very long. They probably don't even have to show up. The judge reviews the pre-cogs data, then sends the guy to prison. The rights just have to be read because it is federal law.

**blugh** · 06-28-2002, 07:48 PM

Yeah, the headcuffs are referred to as halos, which makes a creepy amount of sense. As for why Crow wasn't protected, it's simple. Burgess wanted him to die, and he controls Precrime forces. He doesn't want Crow to be kept safe. He wants him to die. That's why the cops weren't waiting for him. For this film though, 2 out of 5 is a shame. The visuals alone deserve 3, and I gave it 4.5. The only reason i didn't give it the full 5 is because i didn't like the 3 biggest action sequences back-to-back-to-back. I thought they should have been more spread out. Anyway, MR is great, and if you haven't seen it yet, do.

**Vader75** · 06-28-2002, 08:33 PM

Soothsayer is an enormous pile of hot steaming poo! He wouldn't know a good movie if it bit him in the twins! Minority Report is a good flick; fun and interesting. 4.5 of 5.

Moth--better watch what you say about 100's of Arabs getting locked up without doing anything; most were brought in on immigration violations, NOT just because they were Arabs and didn't do anything. Know what you're talking about before you blab, buddy.

**radstar** · 06-29-2002, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by blugh
Yeah, the headcuffs are referred to as halos, which makes a creepy amount of sense. As for why Crow wasn't protected, it's simple. Burgess wanted him to die, and he controls Precrime forces. He doesn't want Crow to be kept safe. He wants him to die. That's why the cops weren't waiting for him. For this film though, 2 out of 5 is a shame. The visuals alone deserve 3, and I gave it 4.5. The only reason i didn't give it the full 5 is because i didn't like the 3 biggest action sequences back-to-back-to-back. I thought they should have been more spread out. Anyway, MR is great, and if you haven't seen it yet, do.

yah and Crow wanted to die too. remember? he killed himself. he said to tom cruise that if you kill me then my family will be taken care of. so he and burgess were both into together. although- crow only agreeded to pretend he kidnapped anderton's son. and thats cuz he wants somebody to kill him? lol- i see that now. :p

**blugh** · 06-30-2002, 03:40 PM

yah and Crow wanted to die too. remember? he killed himself. he said to tom cruise that if you kill me then my family will be taken care of.

True, but i don't think Crow was suicidal to begin with. Burgess just would've given more cash to his family if he died. I don't think Crow wanted to die for the sake of dying.

**Air Sick Moth** · 07-04-2002, 03:29 AM

Burgess called Crow in prison. He got Crow released. The Precrimes can't find him because he doesn't have a home, he doesn't have a job, and he doesn't pay taxes. He just got out of prison, and goes to the Hotel room Burgess has set up. He pretends to be Anderton's sons killer. When Anderton kills Crow, Crow's family gets taken care of (it is obvious that poverty is still a major problem in this future).

What I find great about the end of that scene is when Anderton doesn't murder him, but Crow grabs the gun and kills himself, is that they both say the exact same things as the Pre-cogs saw in the murder. Anderton says "Goodbye Crow." And Crow says "No Wait." But instead of being murdered, he makes Anderton shoot him.

And Vader, I can say that about the poor arabs if I want. True, maybe they were arrested for imigration violations. But I didn't see hundreds of Mexicans or Asians mass arrested after 9/11. And when you arrest someone for imigration problems, you give them a quick trial, and kick them out of the country. You don't keep them in prison, away from everyone, forever.

j7wild · 05-28-2009, 10:02 PM

I just watched this again last night on DVD and I find it very confusing; I had to go to wiki to read the whole thing to understand it.

I saw it when it came out at the theater but I think I fell asleep watching it!!

**Hardkore** · 05-29-2009, 10:30 AM

I never did see it in the theater but loved it when I rented the DVD.

Since then I have seen it several times on my DVD.

I give it a 4.5 of 5.

**DarkKnight** · 05-29-2009, 03:33 PM

It was definitely ahead of its time. One of the smartest science fiction films out there. Right up there with Blade Runner.

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